Old-fashioned, eco-friendly turkeys

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  Posted by Ashley R Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:04am PST

  eco friendly? are u kidding me? have u seen the way turkeys are murdered? it is mass murder just to please meat eating ppl on holiday.

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  Posted by markelly Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:17pm PST

  For your info, this is a very eco friendly turkey. If you are buying your turkey directly from a grower, it is not mass produced, usually you the consumer will dress it out for consumption. It probally has been free range and grass fed meaning no travel time for the food it consumes. Also, not everyone feels that they must rearrange their palets to please those who are intent on allowing animals more rights than the humans. Very well written article.

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  Posted by The Beans and Rice Guy Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:43pm PST

  Probably "free range"? Markelly, where do you get the idea that vegetarians/vegans are "intent on allowing more rights than the humans." The level of abuse on farms against innocent, no-vocal beings is horrendous (they can't speak up for themselves!) Fowl have absolutely zero Animal Welfare laws attributed to them, which means anything is acceptable. The United Nations and hundreds of other studies have determined that the meat industry is the single largest contributor to global warming; not cars, not factories. Giving thanks to a corpse in the center of a table is the equivalent of a sacrifice. Thanksgiving should not be performed amidst a gluttony of indulgence. The consumption of meat serves one purpose: to satisfy your desires. A plant based diet is far more healthy than a meat based diet.If the satiation of your desires causes another being to suffer; shouldn't you examine that craving and find a way to negate that impulse to harm for mere pleasure? The taste of cruelty is bitter to the palate of compassionate mind...

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  Posted by Auroræ Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:00pm PST

  I'm not disagreeing with the horrible conditions that these animals live in, I too feel it needs to be changed, but these animals are truely anything but intelligent. They do deserve better treatment, but nothing outrageous. And sacrifice? Hardly. Humans have always eaten meat. Humans always will eat meat. Trying to stop this would be like telling a lion to become a vegeterian. A plant based diet is no more healthy than a meat based one. Both can be unhealthy, and both can be healthy. It is balance that keeps these diets safe. I personally eat meat because of the flavor, texture, and protein. On a second note, you just became a huge hypocrite. I quote, "The level of abuse on farms against innocent, no-vocal beings is horrendous (they can't speak up for themselves!)" YOU meant fowls, but I mean something entirely different. PLANTS. Cruely bred to produce, plants are destroyed and robbed of their offspring by the millions. You may be thinking I'm an idiot. Despite the truthfullness of that thought, prove that I'm wrong. If you can prove to me plants do not feel or want or dream or reason, I'll drop my arguement immediately. Think it over.

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  Posted by The Beans and Rice Guy Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:14pm PST

  I absolutely agree, w/ your statement "plants are desroyed and robbed of their offspring by the millions." It takes over 50 pounds of grain (and 1,500-4,500 gallons of water) to produce one pound of beef. That is 50 times more pain and suffering to plant life than if you were to eat simply one pound of plants. But honestly, i do not believe you are making these statements because you truly care about the happiness of plant life. I can say this because i too, many years ago, made the same arguments; and it was at this point in my life that i started noticing my "interest" in living a more compassionate life. Also, you want me to prove something to you that at this point is scientifically unprovable. This is because you are hanging on to this argument to justify participating in some thing that is truly cruel. We as humans can and should evolve to be more compassionate stewards of the Earth and to lesson our burden on plants, animals, people, and the whole planet. We are the only species that makes a conscious decision to cause pain simply for the sake of "pleasure." Turkeys and chickens have proven to have intelligence and memories that are superior to dogs. They are social creatures who care for their young and literally go crazy in factory farm settings. Vegetarians are far less likely to commit any act of violence; be it rape, murder, or domestic vilence. We live on average 10% longer, rarely get cancer, osteoporosis, and innumerable other chronic diseases, and generally have an I.Q. higher than omnivorous humans. I know the world will never be 100% veggie, but i do know that a vegetarian diet can open your heart to a greater understanding of the true potential of human life. We have choices. Some cause great harm, others less. How we treat a living being should not be on an apparent basis of intelligence. Because ,honestly, can humans really consider themselves to be very smart if we are killing the planet that gives us life? We have a long way to go...

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  Posted by redjedi Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:43am PST

  great article and ecominded. its true eating meat is a choice at the cost of another living things life but this is trying to bridge a gap. instead of radical ideologies we should move for a more natural meat industry where they actually get to see the sun.

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  Posted by Kimbot Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:54pm PST

  To "The Beans and Rice Guy"......You are my hero. Not only do your words ring true on so many levels, your manner in presenting them is compassionate, non-judgemental, & completely convincing. Were I not vegan, after reading your words, I would seriously look into adopting this more compassionate, less violent lifestyle. Thank you for your insight & love for all living things, as well as for your willingness to share your knowledge & educate others. :)

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  Posted by Auroræ Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:16pm PST

  Going vegeterian is something I will probably never be able to do. I simple love meat too much. And yes, I did challenge you with something scientifically unprovable, but than again so much of life is. And you were correct about the average farm chicken, they are quite intelligent. However, this brain power has been steadily decreasing over the past few decades and that was the point I was making. Sadly this is our fault. Regarding the emissions of livestock, the large amount of methane is almost entirely the fault of a single additive in animal feed that companies are not willing to take out this single ingredient and lose a small bit of profit. Really, I may seem like a hypocrite, as I condemn the meat industry as well as support it, but I really do feel strongly about both sides of the arguement. And pertaining to my comments on plants, I wasn't kidding. People need to wonder more. For example, in the Discovery show "Mythbusters", they tested to see whether or not plants could feel or react to pain or pleasure, as well as the hypothesis that they could sense good or bad intentions as well as a horse or dog. Using a device very similar to a lie detector, they "sent" happy and angry thoughts to the plant, visualized sunlight, fire, etc. There were spikes on the graph whenever they did these "mental attacks". Similar results were acheived when physically slapping or watering the plant. However, all of these findings were immediately disproven because they did not pick up anything on an MRI of the plant. All I have to say is "bull".

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  Posted by Kimbot Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:52pm PDT

  Oh please.....

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