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Is the Volt's 230 mpg for real?

Chevy Volt

There's no denying that the Volt is exciting green technology, and we at EcoGeek are happy to get potential buyers excited about the car.

But the question has been raised (and it deserves to be addressed here), what does a 230 MPG plug-in vehicle really mean. Is it an honest attempt to help buyers determine what car to buy or is it all just hype?

There are a few problems with GM's claim that the Volt will be rated at 230 mpg in the city, and we're going to have to address them all separately.

So, the concerns, in order of validity:

  1. The EPA rules for fuel economy are draft rules, and there is no guarantee that these are the numbers that will be on the car.

    This is absolutely true. GM took draft rules from the EPA, applied it to their car, and then created a gigantic advertising campaign celebrating the results. This could be an attempt by GM to force the EPA into keeping these new guidelines, or it could just be GM jumping the gun. Either way, it doesn't seem like a good idea.

    If this number gets into the cultural consciousness and then people walk onto dealer lots in two years and see the fuel economy listed at  80 / 60, people are actually going to be disappointed by 80 mpg. That's a situation GM doesn't want to put itself in.

  2. The EPA is fudging numbers because the government owns GM and thus wants GM's cars to succeed.

    This isn't exactly how I'd put it...but there might be some truth here. The EPA wants Volts to sell, but they also want all plug-in cars to sell. It decrease emissions and dependence on oil. It's a win win for the EPA and the government. It is possible, thus, that the EPA will create rules that show the mileage of these cars to be higher than it will be in practical use.

    Additionally, this means that one modestly selling plug-in will allow car companies to hit the updated CAFE targets without even trying. I wouldn't however, say that this has anything to do with GM (or our government's ownership stake) in particular.

  3. Miles per gallon is a useless metric for plug-in vehicles.

    I wouldn't call it useless, but I wouldn't call it ideal either. Europe already uses a grams of CO2 per mile metric that would be far more useful with the Volt.  However, we use mpg in America right now, and absent lawmakers taking that on and creating a new standard, we can't really blame GM or the EPA for doing what they are required by law to do. We especially can't blame GM for being so far ahead of the curve that our current laws literally do not apply to their car.

    The EPA is struggling to find ways to make the mpg metric apply to cars that are powered in part by electricity. They've done this by determining the emissions equivalence of gasoline for the electricity used to move the car. However, because it's a conversion, it's less accurate. A better system needs to be developed. But our laws are built for mpg right now, and so are our consumers. So we're stuck with it for now.

  4. There is no way for the government to estimate the amount of pollution my car will produce because energy mixes are different everywhere.

    This is true, but it does not matter. The EPA isn't looking to give individuals a precise count of the environmental impact of their vehicle. They want to determine the environmental impact of ALL vehicles. So they can use the national average for CO2 per kW and, overall, it will be a very accurate measure of how much CO2 all of Volts sold in all 50 states will be producing.

    Just as the current mpg standards doesn't take into account whether your gasoline was pumped out of the ground 20 or 200,000 miles away, the government can use national averages for a car that will sell nationally and get numbers that are accurate enough for their purposes.

  5. Electricity is worse than gasoline anyway, since coal plants are so dirty.

    Actually, per unit of energy produced, your car is about two times dirtier than the dirtiest American coal-fired power plant. Mix that with the fact that coal is only about half of America's energy mix, and you get a car that is much cleaner because of coal. I know...I don't like it any more than you do, but there it is.

  6. The Volt is vaporware. It doesn't exist and will never exist and you should stop writing about it.

    Sorry friend, but there are hundreds of hard-working people who are sinking 60 hours of their life per week into this car and your ignorance doesn't excuse your rudeness. That doesn't mean that we're sure the Volt will meet it's deadline. But GM has sunk huge amounts of resources and money into the Volt. It isn't a PR stunt, it's a car, and they want it to work.

If there are any other issues with the numbers GM is now bombarding the world with, please let me know and I'll do my best to address them.

However, as I said at the beginning of this post, none of this means that the Volt isn't going to be the most efficient, most advanced, and most environmentally friendly car on the market in 2011.

Thanks to Mark Chu-Carroll at Good Math / Bad Math for starting this discussion off.

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  • Posted by reality man Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:08pm PDT
    I expect the new GM to continue like the old GM and keep screwing things up and charging more for it.
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  • Posted by Geoff Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:10pm PDT
    Just a question? Isn't Hydrogen a better long term solution than electricity once the refueling is worked out? I understand that there is a car company that has a beautiful hydrogen car on the market.
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  • Posted by Bobby Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:11pm PDT
    Ok.. Here is my question?! If the first 40 miles is run off Electricity and after that 40 miles the gas system kicks in.. WHAT IS THE GAS SYSTEM THAT WILL ALLOW THE REMAINING FUEL TO BE USED AT 190MPG?? THATS WHAT I WANNA KNOW.. That is the system that EVERY car from here on out should be equipped with.. It's just confusing and not thoroughly explained??? Plus at 40K a piece, this isnt quite a dream car and the only people that will be buying the VOLT are Celebrities showing off their Greenability, Politicians & Rich folks. This is the price of the 2010 Chevy Camaro. If imma spend 40K on a car, I'll get me my dream car and be done with it if I could afford it. You see them, the rich folks have the biggest SUV's out there, you think they care about Gas?
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  • Posted by Shell, Cha, Shelliott Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:11pm PDT
    I have a question. If this car/claim had come from Japan or if it had a Toyota logo on it would we be questioning it so much?
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  • Posted by Phyllis Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:13pm PDT
    When is anyone going to address the fact that we now use more gas because it contains 10% ethenol and I now get 20% less mpg. How does that save gas or polution????
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  • Posted by spccosby Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:14pm PDT
    Forget the Volt. I want my EV1 back.
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  • Posted by WilliamG Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:14pm PDT
    Well now .. seems to me that a 40,000 dollar car .... the increased utility bill ... the higher insurance bill for coverage (repairs will be more for the technology ) ... I'm better off buying a 30 mpg shoebox ... plus if the cap and trade bill goes through .. that electricity cost factor will add up even faster ... but alas ... forge on .. LMAO!!! Don't worry though ... there aren't any that will tow my pop up camper .. soo I guess it doesn't matter .. ;)
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  • Posted by thomas Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:16pm PDT
    All the public needs to know is how far can we travel on 1 full charge. From what I have been reading about the Volt, it seems it has a range of 40 miles. It then requires a 23 hour charge to be full again. Does this mean no road trips? Americans will not buy electric until we can get close to the range of our current gas burners. Bottom line: HOW FAR CAN WE GO? Any other answers or marketing from the industry is pure smoke and mirrors.
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  • Posted by Mauna Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:16pm PDT
    what does 230 mpg mean? That a person will definitely get to travel more for their buck (More bang for the buck as per say)and in the long run does save on, the issue of spending money for gas. The Car industry should begin (if not already have done so) to make more sports cars, i.e. Corvette styles, ferrari's to be converted into hybrid styles for not only the sake of Air quality (going Green), but for those who are nit picky on body styles since the economy is pushed on Lavish, luxurious lifestyles and the appearance factor as well that comes with Luxury.
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  • Posted by Rockchop Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:16pm PDT
    Someone missed the fact that the vehicle could be recharged via solar or windpower...
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  • Posted by Mercedes Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:18pm PDT
    The average person's "ignorance" may not excuse their rudeness, but these CAFE standards won't excuse the lack of greenbacks in the average consumer's wallet to pay $40k for what is essentially a compact or even sub-compact vehicle. While I would love to see this technology take off, it's not likely to do so until it's more affordable...say, in about 20 years!
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  • Posted by Ken Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:20pm PDT
    Also, users of plug in electricity are not paying any road use taxes. The laws will change and these drivers will have to pay for their share of the road construction and maintenance. This will have to be a part of everyone's evaluation of the cost to own and operate a plug in electric car.
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  • Posted by Troy R Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:21pm PDT
    Hell for 40,000 I want more defenit answers on everything. Read where they said if you park in the street they dont know what to tell you for charging the thing. Ill stick with 30,000 for a car i know the answers. And at that price so much for everyone being able to help to help preserve the enviroment. I doubt we will be out of this recesion by the release date.
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  • Posted by Calvin Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:21pm PDT
    Where do you charge or recharge the battery if you live in an apartment or house that has limited plug charge?
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  • Posted by Mercedes Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:25pm PDT
    BTW, isn't hydrogen fuel cells greener than coal burning plants? And if I understand correctly, the emissions from a hydrogen burning engine = water vapor! So, if THAT is much greener than electricity and has been around longer, why hasn't it become the new standard!?! Just food for thought...
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